This is a conversation begun by Mr. Frank Macera:
Liked the concept until I gave it thought. Guns are already expensive as it is. Least the long guns. Why add more junk on it thats only going to up the cost? The only real gun control is to have more law abiding americans armed and gun free zones eliminated.
The Biomac Foundation Biomac estimates that adding a biometric access control printed sensor to the weapon would add minimal cost for its benefits of protecting a family from accidents. The retrofitting also would be voluntary and have a reasonable and low charge. Arming citizens and eliminating gun-free zones does not ensure the safety of loved ones who should not be handling weapons, such as children or people who are not family.
Frank 'exodus' Macera Well between us, theoretical estimates and reality are often different. I once built a biometric railgun in electronics class with the sole purpose of providing safety in labs after we had an accidental discharge that went through the floor and burried.
The Biomac Foundation You raise excellent questions. I'm going to find out the answers and get back to you shortly. Thanks
The Biomac Foundation Great Questions, Frank. Some of the same ones we posed when we made our requirements. First off, many of the things you have asked, such as shock sensitive, we can't answer until it is tested. That said we intend to test this as a combat weapon, so it has to meet every requirement you've put forth. Much greater than any civilian would put it through. This is the minimum we will accept. Second, the sensors that will be in the grip, or handle, will be printed optical sensors. They will be in many cases molded in. They will have to withstand all the water and temperature problems as well as sand, abrasion, etc... and still fire. A BIOMAC weapon will not go to market until it passes every rigid test and has at least a 99.99 success rate... recognition rate in less than .5 seconds. We have talked to UZI as well about field testing. What bothers me about the Presidents recent program to curb gun violence it is all about elimination of certain weapons and clips... or mostly about that. I don't believe most people will argue about better background checks, but elimination is a different story. Biomac isn't about eliminating anything, but making it safer. Nowhere in his discussion, even though VP Biden brought it up, is the subject of smart gun recognition. He's earmarked 500 million for buy back programs and research ... paper research on why there is gun violence. Nothing practical. I'd be glad to keep you informed of our progress if we can get this research going. It will take us at least two years to get an acceptable working prototype. Problem is, unless corporate American can see a huge profit in this, they are not willing to do the research. And it's not cheap. Smith and Wesson spent millions and failed. The technology to succeed wasn't there when they tried... i.e. the ability to print optical sensors. But at least they tried. Now, who knows...
Frank 'exodus' Macera Well first thought is about testing. In my electronics class it was not uncommon for us to use duct tape to fix gaps in things like plexiglass. Rather then pay a gun company why not do what we called rednecking. First and foremost the thing that needs to be tested is the biometric unit it's self. From your your answers, I get the impression it's an internal device not easily accessable without good knowledge of gunsmithing, You said molded which leads me to believe that the sensors can burn out as we say and be a costly repair. Optical sensors are very tweaked even today. The ambient light can effect them so if your going to implant you'll need a film between the optic sensors and the thump print to filter out ambient light. Something that in the electronics world can be a bit costly. While they are reliable they do fail and fail sometimes often. I've got to switch the optical sensors on my radio (rednecked the radio to play when I turned the light on with the option to turn the feature off), depending on the variety of sensor they have all have issues. Another thing comes to mind is safety of the owner of the firearm, in 2005, Malaysian car thieves stalked attacked and cut off the finger of a Mercedes-Benz S-Class owner when attempting to steal the car. Another thought comes to mine is micro laser etching. This was posed to me by a friend in 2009 discussing the use of a micro laser to create a metal mold that one can duplicate finger prints. He believed and I must admit it is a little far fetched that if your out at a resturaunt and your a gun owner and you produce your credit card a criminal can swipe your print, similar to how they steal credit card info now in order to sell potentially to a criminal ring who breaks in and steals your weapon with their new finger prints. Now back to testing. Why not create a module. Think of it a a thumb sized square puck that would be potentially injection molded into a firearms handle. Attatch it to a 30 dollar steel safe from walmart. You can even weld it into the lid and inside put a siren...give your finger print siren goes off it's working....just pack the siren circuit in foam, then beat the hell out of the safe....drop it off a 4 story building, drag it behind a pick up truck in the mud, take it fishing and throw it in the deepest part of the local pond, take it salt water fishing let it sit on the bottom of the ocean for 24 hours and see if she works. Then the grand daddies of them all, run it over with a fully loaded 18 wheeler, and hit it with a splitting maul. Might cost 3-400 bucks...could also film the tests..though if you toss into the water you need to weight it down cause of the foam. Might cost more if the sensors can't stand up...you can also take and go for a drive in the desert with the unit tied behind the truck....or you could just sand blast it. The shamals in the middle east can sand the skin off of you...so sand blasting would simulate that sort of environment. If it's not fit yet to put into a gun, don't put it in a gun. If you want send me a puck I'll abuse it....I'll even hit it with my butane torch to see if it can stand up to extreme heat...2000 degrees more then anything it will face in the field, but if it can stand up to all these rednecked tests...it's gun worthy....then from there all you got to do is build a website, go to the news and have gun owners do the rest of the work. I know if it stood up to rigourous testing some of the abuse done by me in the conditions I've put my hog rifle through on my texas trips then I'd love to have your product in my gun.....though I'm still wondering who will fix it when the sensors burn out and how much it would cost to be repaired. I'm a broke man only get to go to texas twice a year and make less then 10,000 a year so cost is very important. If I'd like it and it's cheap for me, then everyone will want one. Sure keep me posted on developments.
The Biomac Foundation Great discourse. You obviously know a great deal about the subject. But we aren't dealing with finger prints or anything graphic or pressure related. If you cut off a finger forget about it. If the guy's dead, it won't work either. The sensor array that will be constructed will be the best for all problems. The people that have been doing the work on it are aware of everything you point out. It may not work... it may work... but the lives of the kids that died in CT and the people that will die from accidents in the future deserve a better safety on a weapon. If we can land a man on the moon, we can figure this out. the ability to print semi conductors didn't exist in 2001. It's all new, and until we really go for it all the questions you have, which are all legitimate, can't be answered.
The Biomac Foundation Also as far as expense goes we estimate it won't cost more than 40 dollars more per new weapon. Of course we could be totally wrong.
The Biomac Foundation by the way... as far as gun free zones are concerned, forget about it. The reason I like assault weapons is because I know that if my family is in trouble and I'm not there I need my wife to point the weapon in a direction and fire and have a good chance of hitting something with a big clip. Even people who have been under fire lose it in a real situation. Biomac is about accidents happening, not about self defense. I won't own a weapon because my three little boys could crack a biometric safe if I had one. They'd find a way in. I don't care how much you practice on a range, real gunfire blows everyone's cool. Everyone.
Frank 'exodus' Macera Can't convince the companies, without being able to demonstrate a reliable working real world abused peice ready to go. Anything else for them is too costly. And I hate to say it but the way the government is going is good for business. Here in ri gun sales are up 73% since the shooting. Ah sounds like a new combo sensor I've heard about. The one yas are trying to use is that chinese one thats been made for robotic developments...um capililary maping through the epidermis...based on the belief that every person's finger is unique not just in prints but also the lay out of capillary blood vessels supplying blood to the epidermis of the finger is different? Or is it the dna one that I've heard about that is much hotly debated due to privacy concerns of dna storage? It can't be temprature or electric or magnetic or acceleration optical sensors, even though a human is essentially a micro battery with very little current that, along with temprature can be hacked so to speak. Magnetic would only work if there was a magnetic strip implant, and acceleration is like an elevator in an out house, just not logically useful. Ah but my friends the two are linked. A inovation like yours would be like sliced bread, it will become the corner stone of the future. You cannot walk through a grocery store and not find sliced bread in one form or another. It will become an industry standard...how can your wife shoot the gun in the event of self defence, if the accident prevention system won't disengage. Same with police some police have literally shot themselves in the foot giving firearm demonstrations while the accident system your putting forward could of prevented someone that experianced from having an accident, if an officer draws their weapon to defend themselves from an armed suspect with or without a biometric safety device but the accident prevention refuses to disengage it could mean life and death. The quotes that come to mind on this are, Mistakes in themselves are unavoidable. Ernest Mandel and We cannot change our past. We can not change the fact that people act in a certain way. We can not change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude. Charles R. Swindoll Long ago, kids used to bring guns to school everyone did it. They went hunting before or after school, not one kid shot the schools up like today. I think it's a lack of respect. I was 10 when I first shot my first automatic. Russian ak-47 brought home from vietnam. Learned from shooting it, that you can't bring that bullet back, you can't bend it, and it looks small going into the cinder block but there's nothing on the other side. That type of hands on seeing is what kids need. As for the sandy hook shooter, eh that's a whole seperate can of worms, and proof of the government gutting things they shouldn't. Yeah 500 million for buy backs, and who knows how many billions for over paid government programs...money has to come from somewhere not just tax payers. Though a big question for their laws is how can you legislate mentally ill....can prove it in court but can't put it into legislation. I hope most of their junk is just posturing but yeah something needs to be done to prevent accidents but it shouldn't impede defence.
The Biomac Foundation I agree 100 percent. And as far as getting a working model. It will cost around 18 million dollars. About one foot on a nuclear sub. The EU will match those funds and it will take two years. But here is the hard facts. In 2007 I had an LOI from the Austrian government for 9.3 million euro if I could raise 3.5 Euro and I couldn't do it. I am hoping if I give away the way we are proceeding som big company like 3M will pick up the ball. If nothing else because of the good publicity for doing something in the wake of Sandy Hook. Because you were right about one thing. If this system works for weapons. In a life and death situation. It is wonder read. It can replace all credit cards. And on and on. But as far as weapons go the biometrics remain encrypted in the weapon.
The Biomac Foundation If we ever get off the ground a critical thinker like you would be an asset to the team. But if we do get people. Listening to us. Players with capital who understand slice bread. Dollars to doughnuts we win the battle but lose the war. Yet. Save one life is worth it
Frank 'exodus' Macera Ah but there are many people like your kids and me in the world. It can, and will be broken into given enough time. Someone leaked the new upcomming microsoft version...within 48 hours vulnerabilities were found. As for raising money, gofundme, pirxy,wepay, razoo, gogetfunding, fundable, chipin, pledgebank, and even change.org come to mine. Mostly they are funding sites for those who want to independantly make a project...no matter how small or big. Others are kickstarter and indiegogo. Crowd funding might be your answer, sure more work cause you have to advertise and raise awareness, such as newspapers, online media, etc etc. If you can convince 1 million people and I'm sure you can find them in anti gun circles and convince them to chipin a 20 got your 18 million to bring a working model to the market. Plus an extra 2 million in the event of extra costs. Though I must say it will cost money. The best part is, people world wide could donate. If you really want to make a dent, the pledgebank if you could get or biden to sign off on the idea, but if the federal government is willing to kick in 100 bucks for every 4 donations of 25 bucks well that be a big thing. Those are just the small ones. Microventures people can donate 1-30k if they like your idea. It's a newish thing called crowd funding. I used it briefly to finish the biometrics on the railgun. We only needed an extra 2 grand...but we used the video of the accidental discharge and damage and had the funds in an hour. As for critical thinking, nah, it's just common sence. Many people are too wired to look and listen. If you can't close your eyes and hear the world breathing...your too noisy and too wired to look at the big picture from every angle and pick it apart. Though I think it might cost substationally less then 18 million, I think it might be doable with parts that are on the market now. It would be bulky, but it will be a working model that with further development would be technologically feasible enough to put into a gun. Your talking R&D. But before you can do R&D you need to prove that it's not a waste of time. The first computer took up an entire room and all it could do was add and subtract....but it was a computer...it was something an investor could put there hands on, they could pull the leavers and make it add and subtract, and from there R&D began on how best to make it better. It was 2004 when the chinese did ther capillary optic sensor, doubt they got it up but china is well half a world away and I've not got that great hearing. From my understanding they were trying to use near infared to map the capillaries. The idea was to put them in robotic hands to help a robot shake your hand and not cut off blood flow. There was a new combo sensor I heard of from Japan that was built to do finger prints and capillary mapping again for robots. The idea was to tell if the robotic responders for nuclear disasters could tell who they found and if they were alive or dead through touch. In the technology world, start big and work your way down to something small. Hope this helps.
The Biomac Foundation Everything you've written, or helps confirms the fact I believe in what we are going for, in spite of the fears I have of it being produced successfully. The numbers I've quoted you are the numbers I've been given by the experts that will develop thesystem. My engineering skills are way to old to pull even a rube Goldberg device off. I too worked on a computer the size of several rooms. Crowd sourcing is a possibility, but you have to get their attention as you have said. I just did an interview with an AP reporter. I would like to say I'm really engaged in funding my company, or more exactly breathing life into a dead horse, but right now I'm more interested in getting other people to understand the concept of technology waiting legislation and its role in helping to stimulate research investment. I've sent out our white paper which normally I would never do to get people thinking on the right track. You sound like you've been around the block a few times like myself... maybe even taking a detour to Viet Nam. I've seen what a high velocity shell can do to a human. the thought of that shell... and ten more after it tearing into my two year old twins, or my four year old, or my eight year old, forces me to give up any individual goals to the greater goal. I'm not a saint.... far from it... and maybe when it comes to biometric access I'm a fool. But if fools go, where wise men dare not to tread, then its a fools errant for me.
The Biomac Foundation By the way, if you are a Vet, you should check out another windmill I am fighting. PTSD awareness, through a film I once wrote. freezeframe4vets.org. That too languishes in lack of attention, but is not dead. Who knows what phoenix may rise from the ashes I call my life's quests.
Frank 'exodus' Macera I'm too young for vietnam (only 25...I know scary at 12 I was offered beer a few times lol), the ak belonged to a friend of the family. Being around the world eh let's just say I've lived. I've had a knack for electronics and computers. My ability to do math is terrible yet I thrive in a math driven field. My teacher told me I was so advanced he had to look stuff up from when he was just starting out and had forgotten. Just cause skills are old does not mean they are useless. For example, I assume you know italian ham prosciutto. It is still made with horse bone needles inserted into several parts of the knee joints and judged by smell like hundreds of years ago. Even old school designed hands on devices are better then showing up to prom without a date so to speak. A good place to start for parts is mouser electronics. Their catalogue is bigger then an old school yellowpages. http://www.mouser.com/Optoelectronics/Optical-Detectors-and-Sensors/_/N-6jju9/ They are pretty good at communication and answering questions. I think rather then a capillary mapped biometric component. A combination of voice, lip and face sensing would be ideal. Specifically an external trigger lock capable of internal blockage of the internal firing pin. This way in a noisy environment lip movement and voice is a back up fail safe. I'm sure your aware that the firing pin striking the bullet is what causes the primer to ignite the black powder sending a round down range gases create pressure which in turn causes the gas blow back to engage cycling the round. Block the pin from floating you prevent two types of accidents. The trigger and none trigger discharges. Typically certain models of berrettas and even the german lugers when pressure is applied to the right spot cause the safety to change position allowing for the pin to float forward striking the primer and discharging. An external rather then injection molded would prevent both types of accidental discharge. Though I think what be best would be thumb print, voice and facial recognition. These are things that while are in their infancy can be eventually molded into the guns themselves rather then the current mechanical safety. Once could take one of them video spy pens, and intergrate that system into your puck along with the traditional thumb biometric, and a reverse enginnered and combined voice biometric would work. The only thing that would need to be done on your part is making it so the circuits are seperated in the end and activation or open gating is required from two of the three circuits to disengage. Eventually it would be able to be small enough to put into the handle. I believe the company called nuance might have a good vocal password system. Though it's probably propriatary technology. By combining and then strengthening and toughening through R&D from investors you can make it tougher for use in guns as well as build it to the capillary mapping you dream of.Since I did look up the chinese company and found out they went bankrupt on the project. Something is better then nothing. I know a few vets, and I know a place full of people who might try to help with your ptsd project. Though between you and me I think ptsd might be more then just stress but to one degree or another part of gulf war illness. It has been shown with skyy chromotography that gulf war illness is due to chromosome breakage linked to exposure of radiation from deleted uranium on the battlefield....So by driving by a destroyed enemy tank your inhaling irradiated smoke, the DP munitions are radioactive but the isotopes cannot get past human skin, but in a smoke and in the lungs it's a completely different story. I highly recommend if you can find it, the documentry gulf war illness: killing our own. Between those suffering from PTSD and Gulf war illness I think they should unite and bring the problem front and center and perhaps fix the radiation part of it. While I do believe a majority of ptsd is from the traumatic events the likes of which I'll probably never know unless there is a draft. I must ask why it's not every soldier who sees combat suffers from ptsd, which is why I believe there is other factors into the cause as to why one soldier may suffer ptsd vs someone who may come home and be depressed and feel guilty but not suffer from ptsd.
The Biomac Foundation Truth be told everyone dies in combat. Just some of us choose not to lay down yetFrank 'exodus' Macera Of course you can put it up on the blog. That is very true...and sadly many will never understand. Heros...nothing heroic about war. Gritty dirty thing with next to no measure of sanity.
Frank 'exodus' Macera War, not our soldiers, our soldiers are very sane, and brave and absolutely courageous.
The Biomac Foundation Exactly
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